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   This should have more notes, seriously. Too many people are trying to kill themselves, it takes a lot of guts to make a video about depression and then realise that you need to heal. I’m glad this girl is still alive, atleast she did the right thing to get help instead of killing herself. I respect this girl so much because she did the right thing and is still in the process of recovering. The ones who kill themselves are SELFISH, the ones who realise they need help and get help, are the ones I look up to as a role model. End of. Rant over.

People who kill themselves are not selfish. They do it because they see no other way of stopping the pain or any other alternative to whatever it may be they’re going through. You cannot judge someone who has committed suicide or someone who has been suicidal until you yourself have been in the same position. It’s not easy nor simple to just get help. It takes guts to take the steps towards getting help and accepting that maybe you’re not fine. But it takes more guts to finally go through with it and end your life. Suicide for some may not be the way forward, but for others, it’s the only way. 

I agree with Zak.

I second that ^^

You are telling me not to judge when people automatically judge anyway? I am not discriminating against suicidal people or want to but I am trying to make things clear. It is selfish if you kill yourself. You tell me that some people think the only way forward is to kill themselves but it can easily be fixed with therapy. No matter how long it takes, there is always people out there to help. Whether it is a doctor, psychiatrist, psychologist etc. They are all there to help those who are going through a lot. If your family member killed themselves will you brush it off and say ‘Yeah, it is ok that they are dead now because they killed themselves. They believed they had no other way to end their pain’. My father killed himself from depression and till this day I have not forgiven him. The pain carries onto the loved ones, I am still hurt even though it has been three-years. Regardless, I do not promote suicide. I agree with the girl in the gif, it is not the way forward. I am just glad she is getting help because she deserves to see so many things in this world. Unlike my father, he not only killed himself but emotionally killed me for taking his own life.

Well I’m sorry you’ve had bad experiences, but what about those people who can’t get help? Ever think of that? No one would take a teenager seriously, it is so fucking hard to find thereapists, phsychiatrists, etc. who would take a teenager seriously, or what about those whose parents are just like ‘you can’t go to therapy, you don’t need it, depression isn’t real.’ there ARE parents like that, you know? What’s more selfish, suicide, or forcing someone to live when they desperately want to stop? Everything is selfish, everyone is selfish, it happens let it be. Yes, suicide may not be a good thing, it may not always be the only way, yes, it may cause others pain, but that gives you no right to have complete and utter disrespect of those who’ve gone through with it. You never know a person’s situation, you never know what’s going on in their head, in their heart. You don’t know, so don’t judge.

It is easy to find a psychiatrist actually. GP doctors and psychiatrist doctors etc work together in order to help out a patient. Some are too scared to even discuss things with their GP doctor because they believe that they will be treated differently or discriminated against. When my father was alive he was on antidepressents but then started to refuse to get help even though the medication he was on was not benefiting him. He could have easily got it changed, no matter how hard I tried to convince him he will simply not go. Then a few weeks later he kills himself? Regardless, I will never forgive him for what he did. It is not about forcing someone to live, it is the fact that they were brought into this world for a reason. I never said depression is easy to handle because I know how it feels, at first I was ignorant upon depression. Until my own family member was diagnosed with it and had countless number of times visiting the hospital at that point I realised depression is not trivial. Who said I am disrespecting those who killed themselves? I am not going to worship them for ending their lives, I just think it’s really sad. I am definitely not going to bow down to my father’s grave and say ‘Good job dad, you killed yourself because you could not take the pain’. The pains inflicted on me. However, ignorant people like you clearly do not see the bigger picture.

I’m just going to chime in here. I am someone who has major depression, and cuts themselves. My grandmother and my aunt (both of who I live with) suffer from depression and have tried to kill themselves. So lets just say I have a bit of experience with this subject. 
Sucide is not selfish.Is it okay? No. Is it right? No. Should you or anyone else do it? No.
You see, I have contemplated suicide before, dozens of times, hundreds of times,  nearly everyday. Now, do you want to know one of the reasons why I haven’t done it yet? Because I do think about how other people would be affected, I know they would care, I do, they are the very first thing that pops into my head. So am I selfish for wanting to kill myself? The one time that I think about my needs, about a way to help myself, about how I can finally be okay, I’m considered selfish? Okay, yeah, that’s totally fair.

Oh, but yeah, I can get help. I’m fifteen. I can get help all by myself.
Oh, but you see, I’m so selfish.
My grandmother is my legal guardian, and she knows that something is wrong with me, she, however, doesn’t know that I harm myself, or that I want to kill myself. She is depressed herself, and I’m not about to ask her to take me anywhere, to any doctor. I don’t want to stress her out over the medical expenses and even more, I don’t want her to have to worry about me more than she already does. If I told her what I did when I’m alone, she will never, ever look at me the same way, ever. I know this, because once she tried to hurt herself, I never saw her in the same light.
Asking for help isn’t easy. Accepting it is hard as well.
I don’t want to be put on medicine to feel okay, I just want to feel okay without that, just feel like I’m not worthless.

Should you support people who commit? No.
But no matter what, you shouldn’t hate them, or call them selfish. I had to watch my grandmother in the hospital after she tried to commit. I never once thought she was selfish. Never once did I even think about hating her. What I did feel though, was a sad and helpless feeling that I couldn’t help her. 
You know, there is only so much one person can take, and people suffer in different ways, some hurt more than others. The people that manage to pull through, are role models, I agree, they are the lucky ones, but the ones that do end it, trust me, they hurt a whole fucking lot, more than you could ever think, more than even I could comprehend. I don’t think you understand that this is a disease, once you think about seriously killing yourself for the first time it infects you, and it doesn’t stop. You think about it more and more and it fills you up to the brim until you can’t handle it. And it’s scary.
Sure, the people around the victim are affected, drastically, but the person who committed was in pain too, they were hurting even more, they hurt so bad that they thought it was the only way out. They are sick. Understand that. They are not selfish, often, they are the exact opposite. You get sick about caring about what other people think of you and about what they want you to do that you finally think about yourself for once, and then you get called selfish.
It’s oh so lovely to be thought of like that.

You don’t know what goes through some of these peoples’ minds, some are abused, some are bullied, you don’t know the story of everyone, so don’t call them selfish.
Because you don’t know. 

^ Wait a minute, you are saying that you have major depression but you have not even gone to the doctors about it? You are self-diagnosing yourself, fair enough your family members have depression and depression is biological. However, you have not even gone to the doctors about it to get it clarrified nor have you even attempted to because you believe that money is the problem here.

Depression is a disease. However, it can be maintained with the right medical treatment. Besides, you mentioned that you feel the need to kill yourself but you are not going to because you understand the pain that it will cause on others. So how can you exactly use the ‘selfish’ point in this argument. What that other girl meant is that once you actually take your life away you are selfish in doing so because you did not stop to think about how others may feel. The world ‘selfish’ does not ONLY relate to being self-centred, it can also mean the lacking consideration of others.

Ignoring the bad peoples’ comments is not selfish, it is just being mature and letting people hate. However, if you ONLY think about yourself and think it is ok to take your own life away then yes it is selfish. There is a difference between being selfish and being conceited.

The girl in the gif, I respect her a lot. Suicide is not the way forward and for someone like her to recognise that and is getting help takes a lot of guts. Reading the other comments where it mentions that suicide is the only way forward for some people sickens me. How ignorant can you be, you have the audacity to say such a thing. People can be ignorant on how others may feel about them, they may get the impression that just because they have depression other people may not understand as depression is not usually spoken about in the media. Wanting to kill yourself and willing to get help is not being selfish but realising what is best for you and that your life matters, some people cannot control how they think. However, going ahead and killing yourself without even sticking to treatment or bothering to get treatment is idiotic.

Whoa, hold on there. I believe there’s been a slight mix up. You’re jumping to conclusions, hun. I never said I had never gotten professionally diagnosed, because I have. I was given treatment, antidepressants. However, my grandmother soon started to complain about the cost. I started to feel guilty, I stopped taking the medicine and acted like I was okay. And I still do that. As I said before, I’m not going to have to put her through that again.

I never said I wasn’t going to kill myself. And if I were, it wouldn’t be out of selfishness. It would be the best for me, yes. But do you know what it’s like to have to sit in your room alone and hate yourself? Actually hate who you are? Feel like you’re not good enough for not only yourself but your family? It hurts. A whole fucking lot.
Trust me, no one commits suicide for fun, for trivial matters, no one hurts them selves over something that isn’t important in some way. So don’t fucking call them selfish.

And I was sarcastically calling myself selfish, because apparently, it’s okay if I hurt and suffer as long as I make sure everyone around me is okay. As soon as I pull that trigger though, I’ll become a bad person. A horrible waste of life, right?
Although that’s not the point, my personal life isn’t the point here.

Do you honestly think that  any person who commits suicide is selfish? Really? How the fuck do you know what is going through their mind at the exact moment that they decide what they’re going to do? They could be thinking about their family. They could be thinking about how much they love them. Don’t you fucking understand that some people think others would be better off without them? Some people believe that, truly and deep down believe that, even though it’s not true.
But suddenly, they’re selfish.
You know the people who are selfish are the ones who go around and cause people like me to feel the way we do. That could be considered as lack of consideration for others. In a way, you are being selfish. You’re not considering what the person is going through, what they had to feel in order to actually commit. God damn. 

No one ever said it was a way forward. I don’t think anyone believes it is. It’s just an end. Ending it. That’s what’s going on. Ending. Done. “Suicide is not the way forward”
Obviously.
Some people are trapped and think that’s the only way to feel better. To end it.  They don’t reach out for help because they are scared to. 
“Getting help takes a lot of guts”.
No shit? Really? Huh. Wow. So what if you don’t have that in you? What if you’re so fucking tired and you just don’t feel like it’s worth it, like you’re worth it. Some people think they’re a hopeless cause, like they don’t deserve to get better.
Some people think that they deserve to die.
That is fucking fact.

And now you’re calling all the people that were bullied to the edge, some that were nine or ten (trust me, there are cases of people even younger than that committing), some people that were abused and hurt and scared and people that were lonely and hurting themselves, idiots and selfish. 
No.
They were strong to endure whatever they did for however long they could.
Sometimes people don’t see help as being an option.
That is not fucking idiotic, people that think that depression can be fixed all in a few days or weeks are the idiots.
How ignorant can you be to think that everyone’s situation is the same, that everyone is in immediate access to help, that they think they’re worthy of help? Don’t judge if you don’t fucking know. End of story.
xx 

Wow, you are trying so hard to convince me that people are not selfish if they commit suicide. Yes, it can take a split second for you to pull that trigger and cause pain for the people all around you.

I never said that nobody had problems, we all have our problems. Like Zeba says herself ‘never discriminate somebody against their own problems’. I actually listen to that quote. The reason why I am so against it is because it is not a good thing to promote. You make it sound like as if it is ok to kill yourself if you are going through so much. Oh give me a break, perhaps a kit kat that is the most stupid thing ever. Not only does it cause great grief but immense trauma to the ones who loved you. For example - Recently in the newspapers a woman with depression grabbed hold of her children and jumped infront of a train because she could not bear the pain. Are you telling me that is not selfish? She took her kids with her. Yet you have the audacity to sit infront of a computer and say half the things you said just because you have a depression disorder. You only see it from one perspective, the person with depression. Yet you tell me you understand other peoples’ pains but you clearly cannot imagine it from their point of view or how they will feel if you were gone. Stop being ignorant my dear, it is not good.

Wow, did you not read my other posts? 
“It’s not a good thing to promote”. 
Really now?
Wow, what a ground-breaking discovery.
Kudos to you. 
I never said I endorsed suicide, I don’t think it’s right, and I don’t think you should do it, I just said, that if you do, it’s not a selfish act, you shouldn’t be judged for it. Someone who doesn’t have one single clue about you should not be able to say “wow, how selfish.” Yes, the people who do it need to understand how badly it would hurt others. Because it will. Most of them do understand that far before they do it. Let me say this again since you seem to be ignoring everything I’m saying.
They think that they don’t matter to anyone. They think that if they end it, people would be better off without them, even when it’s not true. They think they’re doing everyone a favor, even when they aren’t.
So you’re going to sit there and call them selfish because they can’t differentiate between what they should and shouldn’t do?
But my point is that the people who have already done it, do not deserve to be called selfish. They should not be called ignorant, and you, hun, are not one to judge at all. I’m sorry, but you need to get off that high pedestal that you seem to think you’re oh-so worthy of and stop calling people that are sick, “idiotic” and selfish. 
In cases where there are obvious acts of being selfish, such as taking other unwilling people with you, like that lady, that’s obviously not okay. She was sick, extremely so. That doesn’t make what she did okay, of course, so you should stop saying I endorse suicide, because I don’t.
Just killing yourself is not okay. I never said it was, and I never will. BUT YOU SHOULD NOT JUDGE SOMEONE YOU DON’T KNOW. Because that’s what you’re doing.
“You make it sound like as if it is ok to kill yourself if you are going through so much.” Holy shit. Again, you obviously aren’t listening to me. Its not okay to commit. But they should. not. be. considered. selfish. You don’t know how much they were going through to have to feel the need to do what they did, people hurt on different levels, you keep shoving in the same jigsaw solution into places where it doesn’t fit. 
“People can get treatment, if they don’t they’re stupid”
Some aren’t in the position where they can.
Let me tell you a little story.
We had a man come to my school, the founder of the Stand for the Silent group. His son, who was 11, suffered from bullying, and one day, he killed himself. An eleven year old boy felt the need to end his life because he couldn’t take it. But now, he’s selfish? The other kids he talked about, I believe one was younger than 9 and one was older than 16, even so they did what they did because of other people not being considerate of them or their situation, or their feelings. That is being selfish. You’re not thinking about the person who actually commits, who suffers enough to feel the need to end their life.
Do you even know how much that hurts? To hate yourself and to think you are not good for anyone.
It’s not a damn walk in the park. 
“Yet you have the audacity to sit infront of a computer and say half the things you said just because you have a depression disorder.”
Oh, so I’m saying all these things just because I’m depressed. That’s the only reason? Glad you know me so well! 
No. Even if I didn’t feel the way I do, I would still say what I am, because I would still have common sense. Thanks for your wonderful insight though, truly enlightening.
“You only see it from one perspective, the person with depression. Yet you tell me you understand other peoples’ pains but you clearly cannot imagine it from their point of view or how they will feel if you were gone.”
Okay, this is how I can tell you are clearly not comprehending or reading what I have said. My grandmother and aunt both tried to commit, my aunt when I was young and my grandmother multiple times over the recent years. I was so fucking heartbroken through all of that, I couldn’t even begin to imagine what it would be like to lose them. If they did commit, I would be far more depressed than I am now, I would be confused, and hurt. But you know, I would understand enough to not hate them and call them selfish after all that they have done for me, no matter how much I hate their decision, I would never ever hate them or think of them as anything less than wonderful. I have read my grandmother’s suicide notes and all she would talk about is how lovely her family was and how she hopes we could do better without her. She thought she was the problem, she thought she was helping, like tons of other people do. That does not make her selfish. 
Don’t say I’m ignorant because I’m one-sided, because I’ve been on both sides of this. I understand both sides of this situation. I’m not the one being selfish here.
Oh, one more thing:
“Like Zeba says herself ‘never discriminate somebody against their own problems’. I actually listen to that quote. ”
You sure have a funny way of showing it.
xx 

  Going to have some popcorn while I enjoy this debate.

How on for a second, you are contradicting yourself. You tell me that people may want to end their life because they believe that they are not important and they will just be judged upon it, when really you will get judged even more after you commit suicide. One way or the other, you will get judged. It is not society because we are part of society. It is normal for every human to judge. If your family were to annoy you day after day, will you just sit there and not judge them? Of course you will, you will not refrain yourself from saying anything now will you? Being judgemental and selfish is two different things. Those who are judgemental usually criticise others unless they are non-judgemental. Those who are selfish lack consideration of others.
“They think that they don’t matter to anyone. They think that if they end it, people would be better off without them, even when it’s not true. They think they’re doing everyone a favor, even when they aren’t. So you’re going to sit there and call them selfish because they can’t differentiate between what they should and shouldn’t do?” Well that is the problem with depression, it does take over your mind and makes you think negatively. Does not matter whether you have major depression, are bipolar where you have mood-swings so you change from being happy, to sad etc. At the end of the day it is still selfish. Regardless of how you may think, being influenced into thinking that you are not special is becoming more and more common amongst people.

I was watching a programme where a man jumped off the golden gate bridge but before he did it he called his grandmother to say goodbye. He never told his best friend though. You see after the interview that the best friend goes “If I were to meet him in heaven I will tell him how much he hurt me” He was in so much tears, yet you have the audacity to sit there and tell me it is not selfish when you know for a fact it hurts those who love you.

Now you are twisting my words, you are telling me that I am calling those who are sick idiotic? I mentioned that committing suicide is idiotic, not the people itself. You can get help so it will be pretty darn stupid if you do not even seek for help when you know there are people out there who are willing to help you out. Oh wow, so now you are contradicting yourself again! One minute you tell me that if they cannot take it and they commit suicide it is ok, now just because a woman took her children with her and killed them too it is not ok? Either way, suicide is suicide. Her pain is not any less compared to all the other people who have killed themselves. Please read what you are saying because at the moment it is not going to well with you.

Of course it is selfish, you expect me to praise the young boy for killing himself when his father is left to pick up the pieces. That is the problem, a lot of young children are experiencing bullying. Like Zeba said, one million children get bullied whether it’s outside of school, inside of school or at home. However, that does not mean it is ok to kill yourself; regardless. The boy could have felt emotionally abandoned hence the reason why he never told anybody that is why it is expected of parents’ these days to create a firm bond with the child so they can understand them more and create a relationship. However, obviously not all parents’ are like that of course. So just because he could not take words being thrown at him it is ok to kill yourself when your mother and father brought you into this world for a reason? I think not my dear.

Let’s use Zeba herself as an example considering I have watched her videos. The girl is real lively, yet she can be rational at times hence the reason why she mentioned that people assume she lacks’ emotions but when she gets into a confusing situation that is when she breaks down. I predict that she got into a real bad situation, was confused and felt the need to kill herself. She wanted to commit suicide, she mentioned in the video deep down she was crying for help so she told someone and an organisation about it. Now, the selfish part would have been if she actually did it. However, she stopped herself and seeked for help. Now that is what you don’t call selfish, here she is not lacking consideration of others. She told somebody about it, not sure who but I am glad she is still alive.

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The child, Malcolm, was given $140 by his parents to donate to the charity of his choice. He chose to split the money between the gay centre and the HRC. The cheque was accompanied by a hand written note that read: “I am sending you this money because I don’t think it’s fair that Gay people are not treated equally.”

A note from the boy’s mother said: “To teach the importance of improving the world around him, Malcolm was given $140 to give away to the charity of his choice. After hearing a story on the radio about the mistreatment of gays and lesbians, Malcolm became both upset and curious about the issue…to help, he chose to split his money between the L.A. Gay & Lesbian Center and the Human Rights Campaign Foundation.”

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